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PJ Files: Pamela Fenn Statement

Pamela Fenn

A look at the crucial witness, Mrs Pamela Fenn, who lived in the apartment directly above 5A - the McCanns holiday apartment.

This page mixes press reports with Mrs Fenn's actual witness statement.

Quick link to Mrs Fenn's statement of 20 August 2007

Your sis Maddie is missing, 18 August 2007

Your sis Maddie is missing The Sun

Carry tots ... child experts told Gerry and Kate to inform twins about Maddie

By JULIE MOULT in Praia da Luz, Portugal
Published: 18 Aug 2007

THE parents of Madeleine McCann have told their twins for the first time their big sister is missing.

Kate and Gerry had been telling the inquisitive two-year-olds that Maddie was on a holiday.

But on the advice of top child psychologists they broke it to Sean and Amelie their big sister has disappeared and "Mummy and Daddy are looking for her".

A family friend said: "Kate and Gerry have been advised to be very open and to answer the twins' questions very truthfully.

"The twins understand the concept of missing in the same way they would miss a favourite toy.

"Madeleine is spoken about a lot and the twins do say they miss her. They adored her and had a very touching relationship.

Kate and Gerry are very mindful and careful not to upset them, and that is why they have taken advice on how to approach such a delicate and traumatic issue."

Doctors Kate and Gerry, both 39, have been in touch with British child experts since Maddie, four, vanished from an apartment while on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3.

They have even been visited by psychologists who have spent time with Sean and Amelie. Gerry said: "We've been advised that keeping a routine for them is very important for their coping. They are happy but know Madeleine is not here."

But that routine was disrupted last week when the twins had to be pulled out of a crèche for several days after it was besieged by the Portuguese media.

A friend said: "Kate was pretty shaken by it and the twins confused. It wasn't pleasant.

"Kate and Gerry take their parenting responsibilities very seriously and the top priority is that the twins have a normal life. They are very keen to protect their children. As long as they can do that they are happy to stay in Portugal."

The McCanns have been considering returning to the UK. But yesterday it emerged they had extended the lease on their villa in the resort for another month.

Meanwhile Portuguese cops were again under fire. The woman living in the apartment above the McCanns claimed she had not been spoken to by police until the British team arrived two weeks ago.

Expat Pamela Fenn, 73, told them she disturbed a burglar at her apartment about three weeks before Maddie vanished. She is now to give a formal statement to Portuguese officers.

A friend said: "She was surprised that neither the police nor the McCanns had approached her before."

Pamela also said her niece, who stayed with her the week Maddie disappeared, spotted somebody fitting the description of a man seen carrying a child away under a blanket. The pal added: "He was acting suspiciously."

The niece has given a statement to police in Britain.

HOW PARENTS TOLD TWINS: 'Madeleine has gone missing. Mummy and Daddy are looking for her...', 18 August 2007 
HOW PARENTS TOLD TWINS: 'Madeleine has gone missing. Mummy and Daddy are looking for her...' Daily Mirror (paper version reproduced here)

By Martin Fricker in Praia da Luz
Aug 18, 2007

KATE and Gerry McCann have told their two-year-old twins for the first time that big sister Madeleine has vanished.

Taking little Sean and Amelie aside, Kate gently broke the news: "Madeleine has gone missing. Mummy and daddy are looking for her."

The children, who for weeks have been fed the story that Madeleine is away on a "trip", now understand she is lost and that mum and dad are desperately worried.

But in their innocence they still play happily as their parents try to make home life as normal as possible.

As the hunt for Madeleine entered its 106th day, friends disclosed yesterday that Kate and Gerry thought "long and hard" before deciding to come clean.

One said: "They took advice from child and trauma experts on how to approach such a delicate issue and what to say.

"At the start, they told the children that Madeleine was on a little holiday.

"But, as time has gone on, they've changed the language they use. It wasn't an easy thing. The last thing they want is to upset them.

"It's very difficult trying to explain to a two-year-old what has happened, especially when it's your big sister who's missing.

"The twins understand it's more serious than a missing toy. They realise their sister has disappeared and they miss her."

Sean and Amelie hero-worshipped four-year-old Madeleine who, in turn, "absolutely adored" them. The friend added: "They had a really good relationship.

"The twins were so excited when they came on the holiday because they were sleeping in the same room as Madeleine. Every night they were thrilled about going to bed."

Since telling Sean and Amelie the truth, Kate and Gerry have strived to make life as routine as possible for them.

Heart specialist Gerry, 39, of Rothley, Leics, said: "Child psychologists say it's very important for their coping. They're happy but they know that Madeleine isn't here."

Kate said: "The kids are very happy. The two of them play together all the time.

"But when we all wake in the morning it's another reminder that Madeleine isn't there. Sean and Amelie may have crept into the bed next to us. I say a quick prayer."

In a new development, a British expat has come forward with dramatic new evidence.

Pamela Fenn said a man broke into her flat above the McCanns' holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve, just weeks before Madeleine disappeared.

There was no sign of a break-in and it is thought the intruder may have had a key.

Mrs Fenn, who is in her 70s, found the man scrambling out of the window and tried to grab his ankle. But he escaped.

She reported the incident to Portuguese police but they did not question her again.

The information only resurfaced after British police reviewed the case two weeks ago. Mrs Fenn will now be formally interviewed for the first time on Monday.

Mrs Fenn's niece has said she spotted a suspicious man near the McCanns' apartment around the time Madeleine disappeared.

She said he matched the description of a suspect seen by one of the McCanns' friends.

Evidence taken from the McCanns' hire car is reportedly being analysed in the UK.

The couple only rented the car five weeks after Madeleine vanished. Police said they have "never, ever" been suspects.

Widow with vital clues was never questioned, 18 August 2007
Widow with vital clues was never questioned Daily Express (no longer available online)

BRAVERY: Mrs Fenn challenged intruder

By David Pilditch in Praia da Luz
Saturday August 18,2007

A British widow has come forward with new information which could help Portuguese detectives solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, the Daily Express can reveal.

Ex-pat Pamela Fenn, who is in her 70’s, has told police she has three "bombshell" clues she believes could be vital to the inquiry.

In the weeks before Madeleine disappeared Mrs Fenn scared off an intruder who had apparently let himself into her apartment with a key.

It was one of a series of similar crimes reported to Portuguese police.

In a second development Mrs Fenn's niece reported seeing a man who matched the description of a suspect peering into the McCanns holiday apartment around the time Madeleine went missing.

And she revealed vital details of the movements of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, and their holiday friends in the run up to the night of May 3 - when Madeleine vanished.

Even though she lives in the apartment directly upstairs the police had never tried to get in touch with her.

Incredibly Mrs Fenn, who lives in the apartment directly above the flat the McCanns were staying in, was never interviewed by Portuguese police, it was claimed yesterday.

It was only when a team of British officers were called in to help carry out a major review of the case that the information was acted on.

Now Mrs Fenn will be formally interviewed for the first time by Portuguese detectives at police headquarters in Portimao on Monday morning.

Her niece, who has not been named, will also give a sworn testimony next week, after she was asked to fly to Portugal from Britain.

The Daily Express can reveal they are among a series of witnesses will be called in to give statements in the light of new evidence which has emerged.

Detectives are preparing to swoop on new suspects after a breakthrough in a major new line of inquiry.

Investigators are now working on the theory Madeleine, four, died inside the holiday apartment where her family were staying.

A police source told The Daily Express: "Next week we will be taking statements from several witnesses.

"We want to clarify details which may be relevant to the new line of inquiry in the light of the facts we have found."

Mrs Fenn has told police how she scared off an intruder she found in her apartment in the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz in the weeks leading up to Madeleine's disappearance.

There was no sign of a break-in and police believe he may have used a key to get in through the front door.

The terrified mother was watching TV in the evening and went to investigate a noise coming from her bedroom.

Mrs Fenn, who has lived in Praia da Luz for a number of years, discovered a man scrambling out of the window.

She tried to grab his ankle but he escaped. She reported the incident to police but did not believe anything was taken.

Mrs Fenn told how she had a niece from Britain staying with her in the week the McCanns were on holiday there.

Her niece, who has now been interviewed by detectives in Britain, spotted a suspicious looking man hanging around the McCanns' apartment around the time Madeleine disappeared.

She told the officer the man matched the description of a suspect seen by Jane Tanner one of the McCanns' holiday friends.

Miss Tanner reported seeing the man rushing away from the apartment with a child wrapped in a blanket under his arm.

A second witness spotted the man minutes later rushing past the church in the resort and heading to the sea front.

The dark-haired man was wearing white trousers and a dark jacket.

Mrs Fenn also told police that two nights before Madeleine disappeared she heard a child crying in the McCanns' apartment.

Her screams carried on from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm until family members returned from a night out.

A friend of Mrs Fenn told The Daily Express last night: "She is an elderly lady who is quite nervous and was very shaken up after the break-in.

"She was surprised that neither the police nor the McCanns had approached her for information before.

"Even though she lives in the apartment directly upstairs the police had never tried to get in touch with her to ask her if she saw or heard anything the night Madeleine disappeared.

"The first time a police officer spoke to her was when the British officers with sniffer dogs knocked on her door and searched her apartment.

"She told an officer what she knew and now she has been asked to make a formal statement.

"Portuguese officers have told her they will pick her up at 10am on Monday and drive her to police headquarters in Portimao.

"On the night she found an intruder she was sitting at home watching TV when she heard a noise in her bedroom.

"She went to investigate. The man must have heard her coming and was scrambling out of the window. She just saw the back of his head and arm and she tried to push him out of the window.

"She was shaking with fear and called the police. There was no sign of a break in and she thought he must have somehow come in through the front door.

"She now thinks the information may prove significant in the investigation.

"Her niece who lives in England was staying with her when the McCanns were on holiday.

"When details of a suspect were released a few weeks later the niece remembered she had seen a man fitting the description hanging around in the street outside the McCanns' apartment.

"He was acting suspiciously and appeared to be looking into the window of the apartment. She has given a statement to police in Britain.

"Mrs Fenn says that two nights before Madeleine disappeared one of the children in the apartment was constantly screaming from around 10.30pm to 11.45pm.

"She was crying out for her dad and nobody answered until somebody returned.

"She remembers the times because she was talking to a friend back home on the phone and she was watching the news at 10.30pm.

"On the night Madeleine disappeared the first she knew of it was when there was a commotion downstairs.

"She looked over the balcony and saw the child's mother. She was in a state of panic. She was repeatedly saying 'We've let her down. We've let her down.'

"All the people in their group were running in and out of the apartment. She asked someone if she should call the police and was told it had already been done."

Last night Mrs Fenn refused to reveal details of her evidence.

Under Portugal's strict secrecy laws witnesses are banned from speaking publicly about details of an on-going investigation.

But when she answered the door at her apartment yesterday she said: "I will speak to the police on Monday."

Last night a Portuguese police source claimed officers had already been given statements by Mrs Fenn and her neice.

A police source said: "We have already spoken to them but they will be re-interviewed because of the new evidence we have.

"They are among a number of witnesses who we will talk to next week. They include employees from the Ocean Club."

Police in Portugal are still awaiting the results of forensic tests carried out on two samples of blood found in the McCanns' holiday apartment.

The source said friends of Madeleine's parents who were on holiday with them when their daughter disappeared could also be questioned.

The source said: "It is possible the McCanns friends will be brought in again but not will not happen before we have received the results of the forensic tests.

"The results of the blood tests are important but the investigation does not hinge solely on them.

"The blood is just another clue that could help us in the investigation. If there are four or five major clues that is stronger than just two or three."

Asked why the police had not carried out their weekly update meeting with the McCanns.

The couple reportedly asked for urgent showdown talks after reports were leaked to newspapers that police now believe Madeleine is dead.

Senior police chiefs later confirmed they are now working on that theory.

The source said: "It is not the McCanns who decide when we meet.

"We do that only when there is relevant information to tell them."

A second holidaymaker told police an intruder used a key to enter her Ocean Club apartment just three weeks before Madeleine went missing.

The Scottish woman said that on the first night of her stay in Portugal,she and a friend returned to the flat to find their belongings and £500 worth of foreign money had been taken.

The woman said: "It was in the same block as the one where the little girl was taken from.

"The police were called that night. They told us that someone with a key had got into the flat. There’s no proof of that, but that was their opinion as there was nothing else disturbed. No broken windows, no forced entry."

Madeleine: Portuguese police to re-examine burglaries at resort, 19 August 2007

Madeleine: Portuguese police to re-examine burglaries at resort Daily Mail

Last updated at 11:48 19 August 2007

The under-fire Portuguese police are preparing to take a fresh look at reports of two earlier break-ins in the apartment block where Madeleine McCann and her family stayed.

Both burglaries - one in the apartment directly above the McCann's flat - are understood to have happened two weeks before the family of five arrived at the Mark Warner Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

One was believed to have been committed by someone with a key to the burgled apartment.

A room at the Mark Warner Ocean Club

It is also understood that the description given by two witnesses of a man spotted on the night of one of the burglaries is similar to the description given by a friend of the McCanns who said she saw a man carrying a child in his arms the night Madeleine went missing.

The police are now set to re-interview a number of witnesses from the Ocean Club, a source close to the Policia Judiciaria said, in order to "clarify details that may be relevant to the new line of inquiry, in the light of facts we have found".

Pamela Fenn says she 'scared off' an intruder who had broken into her apartment

Among them will be ex-pat Pamela Fenn, a widow in her 70s. She claims she "scared off" an intruder who had broken into her apartment in the days before the McCanns arrived to stay in the holiday flat directly below her.

Mrs Fenn has told friends she heard a noise as she watched television and found a man escaping through her bedroom window. Her niece, who was staying with her, also saw the man.

The widow reported the incident to police but claims no one contacted her after Madeleine vanished - until two weeks ago, when British detectives called on her.

Mrs Fenn's niece is travelling to Portugal from the UK next week to be interviewed by the Policia Judiciaria.

Mrs Fenn said: "I will speak to the police on Monday."

The alleged break-in is said to have happened within days of a second burglary in the same block.

A Scottish holidaymaker said that on the first night of her stay, she and a friend returned to the flat to find their belongings and £500 worth of foreign money had been taken.

But there was no sign of forced entry at the second floor apartment and police called to the scene told the middle-aged book-keeper that they believed someone with a key was the most likely suspect, sparking concerns about security at the complex.

Detectives are understood to be waiting for the results of DNA tests on blood samples before re-interviewing Kate and Gerry McCann and their party of friends.

New suspect in Madeleine McCann case, 20 August 2007
New suspect in Madeleine McCann case The Telegraph

By Richard Edwards in Praia da Luz
Published: 12:01AM BST 20 Aug 2007

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are following a new line of inquiry which could see them carry out a series of searches in the next 48 hours.

The developments mark the first departure from investigations centred on Robert Murat, the only formal suspect in the case, who has been ruled out and will be cleared of his "arguido" status within weeks.

Every detective in the Algarve is on standby today. Search warrants have been signed and police are awaiting final orders to start an operation believed to be linked to a new potential suspect.

The Policia Judiciaria, the Portuguese equivalent of CID, has been on alert since Friday. The details of the lead are a closely guarded secret and detectives have been warned that they are being monitored for any leaks.

The warrants are only vaild until the end of tomorrow, but could be extended if police believe it is worth pursuing.

The Public Prosecutor's Office, which directs the police inquiry, signed a series of documents on Friday, ordering the PJ in Faro to put detectives on standby and authorising search warrants at locations that may be linked to the disappearance of Madeleine 109 days ago.

Staff from the Ocean Club complex, where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, will be also be re-interviewed today. A police source said: "We are re-interviewing several witnesses in order to clarify details that may be relevant to the new line of inquiry in light of facts we have found."

Pamela Fenn, 70, who lives in the apartment above where the McCanns were staying, and her niece, who is flying to Portugal from the UK, will be among those spoken to.

Mrs Fenn has said that in the weeks leading up to Madeleine's disappearance she scared off an intruder in her apartment.

There was no apparent sign of a break-in and it is thought the man may have had a key to let himself into the flat. She will be making a formal statement today at police headquarters in the city of Portimao. There was also another burglary in the complex a few weeks before in which police also suspected the intruder had a key.

Mrs Fenn's niece was staying with her aunt in the week that the McCanns were on holiday. She saw a suspicious-looking man hanging around the McCanns' apartment about the time Madeleine vanished.

She has spoken to British police and told them that he matched the description of a suspect seen leaving the scene with a child wrapped up in a blanket on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

The police are working on the assumption that the four-year-old is dead, but that "strong theory" is not believed to be related to the new lead.

Unconfirmed reports in a Portuguese tabloid claimed that British police are also awaiting instructions from the Policia Judiciaria relating to an English resident.

Kate and Gerry McCann have still not been briefed on any developments but hope to meet detectives this week.

Over the weekend, friends suggested that the family would stay in Portugal until the end of the summer, pending developments.

The fighting fund launched to help the search has raised more than £1 million. The McCanns clarified this weekend that they are not using it to pay for accommodation.

Witness statement of Pamela Fenn, 20 August 2007

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Witness statement of Pamela Fenn PJ Files

Processo IX, pages 2412 to 2414

Date: 2007/08/20
Time: 15H30

Comes before the Court as a witness.

Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, LIEVE VAN LOOCK.

Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared.

She states that on the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22H30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger.

Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted "Daddy, Daddy", the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23H45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.

As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.

That night she contacted a friend called XXXX XXXX, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23H00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the childs crying.

She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.

On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece CAROLE during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCANN apartment, a situation which has been told to the police, her cousin even made a photo fit.

During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22H30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. She then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, she asked the father, GERRY, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to GERRY from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that when GERRY said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered GERRY help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22H30.

She said that after the mothers shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl. She also refers to an episode when GERRY was speaking to a policeman, she doesn't know what kind of police force, saying that more police officers were needed to carry out the search.

When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCANN apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.

She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCANN's, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.

She also said that she never told the McCANN's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering.

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence.

Having read and approved the statement, she signs, together with the interpreter.

Burglar was on loose at Maddy resort, 21 August 2007
Burglar was on loose at Maddy resort Evening Standard (no longer available online)

21 August 2007

A BRITISH resident at Madeleine
 McCann's holiday complex told today of a series of burglaries in the weeks before the girl went missing.

Ian Robertson
, 64, said his apartment in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, just 100 yards from the McCanns' flat, was broken into in February and he knew of at least three other residents who had been victims.

The revelation, which comes as reports in Portugal said the investigation was entering a "decisive stage", will add weight to the police theory that Madeleine was the victim of a burglary which went wrong or she was snatched to order.

Mr Robertson, a welder from Neyland in Pembrokeshire, said he and other residents had asked Ocean Club owner Mark Warner Holidays to provide extra security.

He said: "It was knocked back on expense."

Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she disappeared from the family's apartment on 3 May while her parents Kate and Gerry dined with friends nearby.

Mr Robertson said: "When I heard about what happened to Madeleine I thought it could be linked. It is just what I have said from the start. Everyone, including Ocean Club and our estate agent, said nothing like that happens here, but it happened to me and all of a sudden it happens to other people."

Police in Portugal are preparing to interview Briton Pamela Fenn, 70, who says a prowler entered her flat, directly above the McCanns', shortly before Madeleine went missing.

While she did not hear or see any suspicious activityon the night of 3 May, police are keen to question her about details of that day, specifically a short conversation she had with Kate McCann following her daughter's disappearance.

Deposition: Child cried for her father, 22 August 2007
Deposition: Child cried for her father Correio da Manhã (no longer available online)

Maddie yelled for her father

Wednesday 22 August 2007
With thanks to Astro for translation

The McCanns' neighbour in the Ocean Club apartment was heard on Monday by Policia Judiciaria and confirmed she heard Maddie crying for her father the day before she disappeared. Pamela Fenn, 70, had been questioned at the beginning of the investigation, but the day before yesterday she made a more precise deposition about the details of what she heard and the conversation she held with the girl's mother on the night that she vanished.

In the deposition that was made to the PJ in Portimao, which has been functioning as the headquarters of the investigation, Pamela Fenn confirmed she had made herself available to contact police authorities, although Kate McCann dismissed that offer saying the alert had already been made. The checking of the time at which this conversation took place with the record of the alert to the GNR is one of the important elements for the reconstruction of what happened during those moments.

The date for the deposition was scheduled with the witness in order to avoid pressure from the media. The interrogation was scheduled for yesterday, but was then anticipated in the last few days and kept secret. Even yesterday, Olegario Sousa, the PJ's spokesman, assured he could not confirm the diligence, while a few days earlier he had denied it completely.

The PJ now continues to work on the collection of all the information that will allow them to reconstruct the facts and to validate them with the versions that were given by the McCanns and their entire group of friends.

The reconstruction of what happened on the day of May 3 in the Ocean Club, within that group of English citizens, is the most important line, but the PJ is also investigating the past of all of them, with the objective of tracing their profiles, and to manage to get closer to the crime's motive.

For that, they have been counting on collaboration from the English police, but there are still details that the PJ would rather investigate by their own means. The professional and personal past of all of them is still being checked intensely, but has failed to produce significant results until now, even more because distance and language differences don't help the complete collection of information.

At this stage, the investigation continues to be centered on the results from biological samples that were collected in the apartment and in the cars that were used by the English family's friends.

The deadline that was given by forensic specialists in Birmingham to Policia Judiciaria, to conclude the tests, was of 6 to 14 days, but yesterday the fifteenth day passed and no communication was made from London to Lisbon. These results are decisive to determine the course of an investigation in which all scenarios are still open, but the line that is being followed more intensely is the possibility that the girl was killed on the evening of May 3, inside the apartment that she shared with her parents and her two-year-old twin siblings, as the English dogs have indicated.

(the rest of the article is about PJ denying there is a British suspect, about Russell O'Brien defending his reputation, that the results from Birmingham are late, and that the McCanns were visited by the brother of Ken Bigley)

SIC news item, 22 August 2007

SIC news item

22 August 2007
With thanks to Textusa for transcript/translation

Presenter: The PJ has heard again, this week, the British octogenarian who lives above the apartment from where Maddie disappeared, but Pamela Fenn, botherered by the journalists' attention, denied having spoken with the police and said she didn't have any information about the case.

At the age 81 the quietness of this retired British woman seems to have been seriously shaken, after an outburst at the hairdresser, the news that she was a witness in Maddie's process quickly reached the journalists' ears. Pamela Fenn lives on the floor above apartment 5A from where the girl disappeared. According to what she might have told the police, on the day before Madeleine disappeared, that night, she heard the child crying and calling for her father for long minutes.

That, and the fact that she spends most time on the veranda with a view to the Tapas restaurant, made the police return to the Ocean Club on Monday morning. For about four hours the investigators were particularly interested to see if she had seen someone from the McCann group leave the restaurant to go check on the children, and on the content of the brief conversation that Pamela had with Maddie's mother on the night the girl disappeared.

Bothered to be under the journalists' sights, the English elderly denies being a witness in the process and ensures that what the press says is pure speculation.

Mrs Fenn: Honestly, I have... I know nothing. I have been here three months, until all this happened. I've never spoken to a journalist, they've written rubbish in newspapers, I've never even uttered a word! I've never (sighs)... it's all rubbish! Please, please, just forget it.

Presenter: As for the McCann couple they've a rented house in Praia da Luz until the second week of September. Despite having left attending the Ocean Club, Kate and Gerry continue to shop at the nearby supermarket. This Wednesday the car was parked a few meters from Robert Murat's door, the English businessman who still remains as the sole "arguido" in the process.

We've let Madeleine down, 23 August 2007
We've let Madeleine down Daily Express (no longer available online)

By Martin Evans in Praia de Luz
Thursday August 23,2007

THE agonising moment when Madeleine McCann's parents realised she was missing was revealed last night by a fresh witness.

Detectives were told Kate McCann cried hysterically after discovering that her daughter had vanished.

She sobbed "We've let her down, we've let her down" as she and her husband Gerry frantically searched for the little girl. The extraordinary details of the panic and confusion were given by a neighbour of the McCanns at the apartment block in Praia da Luz from where four-year-old Madeleine went missing 112 days ago.

Expatriate Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives in the flat above where the McCanns were staying, was re-interviewed by detectives on Monday after it emerged that she might have fresh clues.

Widow Mrs Fenn told police that two nights before Madeleine went missing she heard a little girl in the apartment crying for over an hour.

She said the toddler, who is believed to have been Madeleine, was crying "Daddy, daddy" constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm.

The crying had stopped when the parents returned to the apartment.

On the night Madeleine disappeared, Mrs Fenn also heard a child crying, but it was when Kate returned from a nearby restaurant to check on her daughter that she was first aware something was wrong.

A source close to Mrs Fenn said: "She often sits on the balcony at night and heard a commotion downstairs.

"She heard the woman who she now knows to be Kate crying 'We have let her down, we have let her down'."

The source added: "She did not understand what was meant by this, but she asked if they wanted her to call the police. She was told it had already been done."

Mrs Fenn has also told police about an attempted burglary at her apartment several weeks earlier.

She said a man broke in through the first-floor window but she disturbed him and he jumped out of it.

The source said: "She did not think it was significant. She has lived in Luz for some time and at her previous address was the victim of burglaries on a regular basis.

"There are lots of drug addicts in the area who prey on tourist apartments. Nothing was taken so she did not initially report it to the police."

The report of an intruder echoes the experience of a Scottish holidaymaker at the Ocean Club resort just three weeks before Madeleine went missing.

The woman told police that an intruder used a key to enter her apartment at the Mark Warner-run resort on the first night of her stay, making off with personal belongings and £500 worth of currency.

"It was in the same block as the one where the little girl was taken from," she said. "The police were called. They told us someone with a key had got into the flat.

"There was no proof of that but that was their opinion, as there was nothing else disturbed. There were no broken windows and no forced entry."

Mrs Fenn told police that she had a niece from Britain staying with her in the week the McCanns were on holiday there.

Her niece, who has now been interviewed by detectives in Britain, spotted a suspicious looking man hanging around the McCanns' apartment about the time Madeleine disappeared.

She told detectives that he matched the description of a suspect seen by Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns' holiday friends. Miss Tanner reported seeing the man rushing away from the apartment with a child wrapped in a blanket under his arm.

A second witness spotted the man minutes later rushing past the church in the resort and heading to the sea front.

The dark-haired man was wearing white trousers and a dark jacket.

Remarkably, given her close proximity to the scene, Mrs Fenn had not been interviewed fully by detectives in the days after Madeleine vanished.

It was only after a team of British officers were called in that her information was acted upon and officers from Portimao police headquarters spent more than three hours going over her statement in fine detail.

'Maddie blood' found in car, 08 September 2007
'Maddie blood' found in car Daily Star

- Extract -

But when the children's mother checked on them at 10pm she discovered Madeleine was missing and ran from the apartment screaming her daughter's name.

But police say they are not certain what happened between 6pm and 9pm. Pamela Fenn, 81, who owns the apartment above the McCanns', has given a sworn statement to police which apparently contradicts the couple's account of events.

She questioned the number of apparent checks and recalled how, during the initial panic, she offered to call the police.

She claims she was told by Kate they had already been contacted – but it later turned out the call was not made for another 40 minutes.

Mrs Fenn also told detectives two days before Madeleine disappeared that the youngster had kept neighbours awake desperately screaming for her father until nearly midnight.

She heard the youngster shouting "Dad" from 10.30pm until 11.45pm and added she was shocked such a young child had been left apparently alone for so long late at night.

'Gerry is not Madeleine's real father': The Portuguese media's latest attack on the McCanns, 12 Septmber 2007
'Gerry is not Madeleine's real father': The Portuguese media's latest attack on the McCanns Daily Mail

Last updated at 01:03 12 September 2007

In the latest of a series of increasingly personal smears against the McCanns, a Portuguese newspaper has claimed that Gerry McCann is not Madeleine's real father.

Sensationalist tabloid '24 horas' claimed that Portuguese police suspected the heart surgeon was not Madeleine's natural father.

With the front page headline, 'Police suspect Gerry is not Maddie's dad', the paper reported detectives were intending to use DNA samples to confirm their suspicions he was not the sperm donor behind the successful IVF treatment that led to her birth.

The allegation is the latest episode in an astonishing smear campaign launched by both Portuguese detectives and the country's media.

Detectives trying to prove that Kate McCann killed her daughter have painted the 39-year-old doctor as a violent mother prone to "hysterical reactions" and losing control.

The allegations were leaked to Portuguese newspapers hours after Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry left the country under a cloud of suspicion about the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine.

Quoting police sources, the papers alleged that Mrs McCann became "visibly out of control" under questioning by police, and that witnesses had described her as "violent" and "aggressive" towards her children.

It was claimed that she routinely put Madeleine and the two-year-old twins to bed in the family's holiday apartment "while Gerry played tennis and lay by the pool".

The reports also quoted witnesses who have given statements to police.

Pamela Fenn, who was in an apartment above the family on May 3 - the night Madeleine disappeared - is quoted as saying she believed Mrs McCann sometimes became violent and "out of control" in the room below.

She claimed that "the little girl's screams calling for her daddy were very audible".

Another witness is quoted as saying that Mrs McCann "seemed to have moments of aggressiveness towards her children" and that her husband, "though more absent, had more emotional control".

Mrs McCann is said to have strongly denied both these allegations in police interviews.

The damaging picture painted by Portuguese newspapers emerged as police sought to convince the public prosecutor that they have a strong enough case to charge Mrs McCann over the murder or accidental death of her daughter.

The McCanns have repeatedly insisted they are loving parents who had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. They are convinced police are trying to frame them.

But the allegations, strongly denied by the family, risk poisoning public support for the couple and stopping donations to the "Find Madeleine" campaign they set up.

Portugal's secrecy laws prevent police from talking about the investigation, but the leaked material appears to contain specific information about interviews conducted with the McCanns last week.

It was claimed that Mrs McCann became "hysterical" at times during her 13 hours of interrogation and refused to reply to some of the questions.

It was alleged that she offered no explanation for why Madeleine's DNA appeared to have been found in a car the couple hired 25 days after she vanished.

Nor is she said to have given any satisfactory answer to whether she had slapped her daughter, or whether she sedated the children.

The Portuguese police are reported in the newspapers as having concluded that Madeleine was killed by accident.

They believe that her parents then hid her body in their car boot in the compartment for the spare wheel.

The four-year-old's blood was found under the carpet of their hired Renault Scenic in the place of the wheel, the daily Correi da Manha reported.

Tot's screams 'a myth', 23 September 2007
Tot's screams 'a myth' Sunday Mirror


By Grant Hodgson

A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives above the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine vanished from, supposedly said she heard the four-year-old "scream for four hours" the night before. The reports fuelled police theories that mum Kate sedated Madeleine. But widow Mrs Fenn, interviewed by police two days after Madeleine disappeared, said: "I never heard her screaming or Kate and Gerry arguing.

"I didn't realise anything was wrong until I heard all sorts of commotion outside."

Comment: This short report has been presented in such a way as to make it appear that Mrs Fenn is denying that she had ever heard Madeleine crying.

In actual fact, it is clear from this report that Mrs Fenn is referring solely to the fact that she didn't hear any screaming or arguing on that particular night, 03 May 2007, in the moments before, and after, Kate raised the alarm.

It is not a denial of hearing screaming on a previous night, which, as we know, was reported in her witness statement of 20 August 2007.

Witness statement of Carole Tranmer, 22 April 2008
Witness statement of Carole Tranmer (Mrs Fenn's niece) PJ Files

Cartas Rogatoras Vol IV
Pages 27 - 72
Thanks to Ines for translation

Leicestershire Police Squad Witness Statement:
CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5'(3) e 5B; Regular Criminal Process 2005, Decision 27.1
Statement of: Ivor MESSIAH
Age if less than 18:

This statement, consisting of one page, signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
Date: 15 of May 2008
Signature _________________________________________

I am police detective 1485 with the Leicestershire police and work in the Braunstone police squad in the criminal investigation unit. On Tuesday, the 22nd of April of 2008 I was in the service of the squad between 08h55 and 10h25 of this same day. An interview relevant to witness Carole Tranmer occurred in the interview room. The interview was recorded on DVD and appended as evidence (IM/28') together with a copy of the DVD (IM/28B). Appended also is the transcription of this same interview as evidence (IM/28).

During the interview, Carole TRANMER provided the following evidence:
CT/10 ' Outline of Ocean Club apartment block
CT/11 ' Outline of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz
CT/12 ' A photograph taken from the terrace of apartment 5G on Sunday, the 29th of April, 2007
At 11h10 of this same day I collected three pieces of evidence from Carole Tranmer. This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my belief and understanding.

Leicestershire Police Squad
Witness Statement
CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5'(3) e 5B; Regular Criminal Criminal 2005, Decision 27.1
Witness statement of: Carole TRANMER
Age is less than 18:

This statement, consisting of one page, signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
Date: 22 of April of 2008
Signature _____________________________________________

I am the above referenced person and live at the address previously given to the police by my husband.

On Tuesday the 22nd of April of 2008, I attended the police squadron in Enderby, Leicestershire. I spoke with DC 1485 Messiah.

Between 9h43 and 11h00 he conducted a recorded video interview, during which I drew an outline of the apartment block (evidence CT10) which I visited on Tuesday, the 3rd of May of 2008.

During this interview I presented a map of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, and signalled where I visited, subject to what I have already described. This evidence is referenced as CT11.

During this interview, I also showed DC Messiah a photograph taken by my husband on Sunday, the 29th of April, 2007. The photograph shows me on the terrace of my aunt's apartment in the Ocean Club. I am turned towards the crosswalk, but did not, on this occasion, see the subject. This photograph is referenced as evidence CT12. At 11h10 on Tuesday, the 22nd of April of 2008 I handed this evidence to DC Messiah.

This statement was made by me and is truthful according to my belief and understanding.

Leicestershire Police Squad
Formula MG15(T)
Transcribed/Recorded Witness Statement
Person interviewed: Carole TRANMER
Location of interview: Enderby Police Squadron
Date of Interview: 22 of April of 2008
Start time: 09h43
Stop time: 11h10
Agent that conducted the interview: DC 1485 MESSIAH
Other people present:
n': IM28
Page Numbers: 54
Signature of Interviewer:
Agent that produced the documents: Messiah DC1485
Duration of interview: 87 minutes
Recording Ref': IM28A

DC1485'The recording is now live.


DC1485'This interview is being video recorded, it is Tuesday, the 22nd of April, 2008, and the hour on my watch is 9 hours and 40 minutes. I am DC Ivor MESSIAH and I am a detective with the Leicestershire police in the Criminal Investigation unit and would like to ask her to present herself and tell me her name, the date of her birth and her address, please'

CT'Humm...my name is Carol TRANMER and my date of birth is the first day of 1948 and I live at, humm... (detail removed).

DC1485'Okay, and your occupation, I believe, you are retired'

CT'I am now retired, yes.


DC1485'What was your occupation before retirement'

CT'Humm... Yes, before retirement I worked temporarily for, more or less a year, and before that, I ran an antique business.


CT'I owned it for, humm... four years, and before this I worked as a secretary at Windsor Castle.


CT'For this reason, humm... I worked as an administrative secretary for most of my life.

DC1485'How nice. Did you like what you did'

CT'Yes, very much so, yes.

DC1485'Do you have children'

CT'No, I do not have children.

DC1485'You have no children, therefore, do you live alone with your husband'

CT'Yes, we (inaudible).

DC1485'How long have you been married'

CT'We have been married for 20 years and... humm, have lived together for 23 years in (address removed).

DC1485'In the same location'

CT'In the same house.

DC1485'Same house, yes.


DC1485'You told me that you worked at Windsor Castle'

CT'Windsor Castle.

DC1485'Did you know the Queen'

CT'Yes. I knew her.

DC1485'Personally or'

CT'All, all, yes. The entire family, the whole royal family, yes.

DC1485'How did that happen'

CT'I worked in the Royal Collection and hummm... I was a personal assistant in the royal library and bookstore. I frequently encountered the royal family in private visits. There was also the Easter Court where the entire Buckingham Palace would usually come. Everyone had a very restricted calendar regarding their duties , thus if anything happened to the royal family, if they brought friends of visitors to Windsor, I had the opportunity to meet them and to show them around.

Dc1485'And did you speak to the Queen or Philip'

CT'Mmm, yes, yes.

DC1485'And Diana, did you know Diana'

CT'No, I never knew Diana. She was not there at the time.

DC1485'That must have been lamentable for you.


DC1485'Of not having the opportunity to meet her' Not having the opportunity to meet her is a shame given what happened to her also.

CT'Yes, yes.

CT'Yes, a tragedy, but it was a good experience working there.

DC1485'Great! It is good that you liked it.

CT'Yes, I liked it.

DC1485'The reason for our discussion today, Carole, has to do with the Portuguese investigation regarding the disappearance of Madeleine McCANN on Thursday the 3rd of May of 2007. Essentially, the Portuguese police, or the PJ as they are also known, are leading this investigation and have asked us, the Leicestershire police--because the McCANN family are also from Leicestershire--to be the their link in England to the investigation. Do you understand what we have to do'

CT'Mmm, mmm yes.

DC1485'The reason for speaking to you is obviously the same reason we are speaking to the other people who were in Portugal and who know the McCann family. They are all being questioned and their statements recorded on video, as are you. You are not in the minority'everyone's testimony has proceeded in the same way.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'And as I have already mentioned, the reason for this meeting is to produce an interview so that the Portuguese authorities can have all the statements that are needed in order to proceed with the investigation and/or conclude the enquiry. This is their decision and we are merely collaborating with them.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'They only want us to speak with you so as to elaborate questions or to our interview technique. Short of this, they are trying to see if there is any existing piece of information that may surface.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DCc1485'Are you okay'


DC1485'What I am about to ask you Caroline, is to make an introduction, that you tell me a bit about yourself and how you managed or organised your stay in Portugal during the time of the disappearance.

CT'Mmm, good. My aunt, Pamela Fenn, lives in a Luz apartment and we visit her frequently. Our last visit was a result of a birthday gift, if you can call it that. But our trip was in reality to look for a home, as we would like to live there one day. For this reason, we stayed in the eastern Algarve, not in my aunt's house but in a small complex whose name I do not remember.

DC1485'Could it have been Pinhal do Sol'

CT'Yes, that is it.


CT'So, we stayed there. We booked a reservation for only a week, and hummm'on Sunday, we decide to visit my aunt and to take her to lunch. It was at this point that the photographs of our holidays were taken.


CT'After this we spent the rest of our time in the eastern Algarve to look at properties and on Thursday'my birthday was on Tuesday'we decided to take my aunt to lunch before our return the next Saturday. The incident happened on Thursday.

DC1485'Yes. You should continue and explain how everything happened.

CT'Yes, I will describe it; I will describe everything, everything that I can.

CT'We were all seated on the terrace, hummm'talking, and I was inclined to look below and this is when I saw someone leave the apartment of the first floor, closing the gate very gently as they were leaving, opening and closing the gate with much caution and in silence. It appeared to me very strange. They looked to one side and the other, shut the gate and walked very quickly downwards. It was at this point that I turned to my aunt and my husband and exclaimed 'That was really very strange', but they were talking and very involved in the conversation (inaudible). I became involved in the conversation and did not think anymore about the incident. We left when it was around 6h30, after having finished eating and doing other things, and on Friday we passed by car, continuing to look at properties and such. We did not visit any estate agents, and on Saturday we left. We got to the airport and heard people talking about a missing child. This did not yet bring anything back and we commented on the horror.

CT'After arriving home, Sunday morning we woke and read the Times Sunday paper. There we saw my aunt's apartment and the notice about the missing child. I did not want to believe it and for this reason telephoned her and said: 'Did you see'' to which she responded 'It was been an inferno, terrible since both of you left'. After this I spoke with my cousin, whose son is at Sandhurst and told her 'What do you think we should do, do you think'' because at this time I remembered that I had seen something. It did not come to me right away but afterwards I told my husband 'Well, I saw that funny situation, you know'that type of behavior of the individual, with a sneaky aspect' to which he responded, 'Well you should talk to the police', and I said 'Yes, but it is likely that it has nothing to do with it'. After, we thought a bit more about it and I telephoned my cousin who is at Sandhurst and he told me that I should call the police and tell them. I did exactly this. I telephoned the Windsor police and told them, more or less, what I had told him and to my family. They told me that they would give me a number to call the Leicester police. We passed by the Windsor squadron but it is clear that no one was there so I called the Leciester police and told them basically what I had seen. They told me, well'thank you, we are going to get in touch with you, and after that everything happened. This is what happened, more or less.

CT'Thus, this was when I called them, that is when you, sir, called me.


CT'After that, you booked a meeting time so that someone could come and speak with me


CT'And I was working temporarily (inaudible) for the Royal Borough of Maidenhead.

DC1485'Did they visit you at work'

CT'Yes, they came to the office as they asked me what would be easier and I told them that it would be easier if they could come to me so that I would not miss too much work and'


CT'Then, I arranged a room and they came to visit.



DC1485'Were they at all unaccommodating'


DC1485'The fact that they came to visit you.

CT'No, no, truthfully, I am only trying to help.


CT'An after having spoken to them, I received a call from someone in Reading asking me to help in trying to create what they called an 'identi-kit'.


CT'They asked me 'if it was possible' and I responded 'yes, of course' and they came from Reading. I reserved another room for them and it was in this way that everything happened, and'

DC1485'Okay Carole. I have read your statement from the 8th of May, 2007, more or less one week after you saw the individual. It would be easier if you read the statement yourself and tell me if there is anything you want to add.


DC1485'I would like to analyse a few parts of your statement with you, if you allow me, and to stimulate your memory to see if you remember anything else in relation to your stay.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'I would like to clarify in your statement'-your statement 'On the 28th of May, 2008'my husband and I, Chris TRANMER, caught a flight to Portugal to spend a week of holidays in the eastern Algarve' and in addition, to look for properties to buy. 'We stayed in a location called'"

Dc1485'Quarteira, is that so'

CT'I believe so.


CT'That is it, Quarteira, Quarteira.

DC1485'Quarteira, in a zone called (inaudible).

CT'(inaudible) mmm, mmm.

CT''We rented a vehicle to travel. My aunt lives in apartment 20, Waterside Gardens, Praia da Luz, Bloco 5G in the Ocean Club. We went to visit her on Sunday, the 29th of May'. Is this wrong'

CT'No, it is not correct. We arrived on Saturday,

DC1485'Well then, it was after, after the disappearance of Madeleine. Was it not'

CT'No, no because this, humm... was in April, it was the 1st of May, Tuesday.


CT'We arrived more or less in the end of April.


CT'Therefore, it was... my birthday was on the 1st, Tuesday, and Thursday was the 1st of May.


CT'Thus, we arrived the Saturday before.

DC1485'Let me show you what you said, where I want to arrive, ma'am, you returned to Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine'


DC1485'So that date is incorrect'

CT'Yes. It was in fact in April.

DC1485'April, this is it then'

CT'Yes, I should have read this.


CT'Or no, I don't know.

DC1485'It says here, Saturday, the 28th of May.

CT'It was the 28th of April because it was on the 3rd, Thursday, when we took my aunt to lunch.

CT'Yes and after we went to visit her on Sunday. We visited her on the 29th of April.

DC1485'And here it says May, thus this statement is incorrect, right'

CT'Yes of course.

DC1485'Good. Let us clarify the statement collected on the 8th of May, relative to the dates referred to.

CT'Yes, it was wrong, it was in April.

DC1485'In fact it should be Saturday, the 28th of April.


DC1485'This is correct, of course it was.

CT'I got confused when I read this.

DC1485'Yes, I would also get confused.

DC1485'Good, then in relation to the date, everything is now correct'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Yes, good. Relative to what you said happened on Thursday, your statement states that Thursday, the 3rd, you went to visit your aunt. Therefore, you saw her on Sunday'


DC1485'And after that you went in search of properties'


DC1485'Passing through the eastern Algarve, right'

CT'That is correct, yes.

DC1485'Thursday, the 3rd of May.

CT'May, mmm, mmm.

DC1485'You returned to your aunt in Praia. Now tell me from where you were coming and tell me about that day.

CT'We, we were lodged in Quarteira.


CT'On this day, that morning, we left towards Luz but we took a bit of time, not much, much time. I do not remember now but it was about an hour or so because we were in the eastern part and she lives in the barlavento region of the Algarve.


CT'We drove from there until Luz where my aunt lived, humm...I don't remember but I believe that we also went shopping for her before our lunch and we had coffee when we arrived, humm... It should have been 11 or around noon when we arrived, humm... after we went to pick her up. We met up, drank a coffee on the terrace and after went out to lunch in Lagos, which is humm... in the old part of the city. There is a restaurant there whose specialty is fish and she really wanted to go there. We returned around 3:30, sat on the terrace, had a coffee and stayed in the apartment until around 6:30 and left around 6:30 that same day.

DC1485'This was on Sunday, right'

CT'No, this was on Thursday.

DC1485'This on Thursday, I understand.

CT'This all happened on Thursday.


CT'We left around 6:30. It was already dusk because at that time of the year, it gets dark quickly in Portugal. We drove to our hotel and arrived at 8:30, eight or 8:30.

DC1485'It was a two hour trip then'

CT'It was about that, mmm, yes, it was a considerable distance.

DC1485'Speak to me about the apartment where your aunt lives.

CT'Sure (inaud'le)

DC1485'It is obviously called, given its location, the Ocean Club, right'

CT'It is in the Ocean Club, but she...

DC1485'How long has she been there, in that apartment'

CT'When my uncle died, they had a villa close to Lagos, but when he died of Alzheimer's, she sold it to buy the site in Luz. She bought it because it was surrounded by people and it was easy for her to come and go as she did not want a big site. She bought it in 2003'since 2003 and it is the second or third floor, I am never certain, but I believe that there is one more apartment

DC1485'ground floor... ground floor, first floor'

CT'No, she is the third, I believe that she is on the third floor.

DC1485'Third floor.

CT'There is only one on top, therefore, she is on the third floor, at the end apartment. Once there, you take the elevator or the stairs. There is no other entrance or exit. You go directly to her door. She lives at the end. There is no other access.

DC1485'Therefore, when one leaves the elevator, to which side does one walk, left or right'

CT'You turn left.


CT'You walk, as it is a long corridor. It is open at the back part, it is an open corridor open in such a way one can see the front because the back part, if you can call that part which is turned toward the pool, but the front part of the building, is in truth the back of the same. Does this make sense'

DC1485'Yes, that makes sense.

CT'Because this is the entry, the only entry point and exit point, after this there is only the veranda and the terrace and nothing more. It has been there since 2003.

DC1485'And when you enter, give me a description of the apartment.

CT'I will describe what one sees when entering. Well, when one enters there is a small entrance hall where you find her room and the living area. After, there is one more room on the opposite side of the small veranda. It is not really a veranda but a passage where one can walk; there is a window and an entrance door. This window is normally covered by a closed blind because it is the guest room; after that is a front door in such a position'the window is there and the door and when one enters there is an access door to the to the guest room and after, her room, which is at the edge of the building.


CT'One passes through there and there is a bathroom and through the entrance hall there is a guest room, a kitchen and an eating area. After the living area, there is a big open terrace'where we would usually go. It is completely open.

DC1485'When you are on the terrace, to which direction are you turned'

CT'We are turned to a beautiful view of the ocean and all the clay roofs of the village, where one can see the pool, the reception area, the pool zone, the tennis courts, and one could see the roof of the Tapas bar. There are trees and bushes between all of this, so when one looks out, there are only roof tops, the small homes and other villas. It is an incredible view.

DC1485'Who else lives there'

CT' Actually, she is the only resident, which may seem strange but she wants to be there. So she is the only resident. All the other owners, the majority of them, more or less, are people who acquired the apartments and rent them or else use them only for holidays. For this reason, there are times in the year when she is alone.

DC1485'And who else lives with her'

CT' She is completely alone.


CT' No one else.

DC1485'So, in addition to your visit...'

CT' When we visit or stay in the apartment with her, we do not take advantage of her because she is an older woman; she is eighty-something and as you know, it is not big enough for us to stay there with her.


CT' We always stay somewhere else, local. It is easier for her.


CT' And she does not have to worry about us and with the family. She has many relatives who visit and normally they all stay...

DC1485'Somewhere else.

CT' Unless it is just for a weekend or something similar.


CT' Normally, because it is a lot of work and you know, she is arthtritic and these things; well, we prefer to stay somewhere else close to her.

DC1485'And you can confirm that it is block 5G'

CT'5G yes.

DC1485'And the name of, and the number of the apartment, 5G'

CT' No, the apartment is the twentieth.

DC1485'Apartment 20.

CT' Apartment 20.

DC1485'Waterside Gardens'

CT' Yes. Waterside Gardens, yes.

DC1485'Very good. When you look outside, as you mentioned a while ago, when you spoke of the view at which you were turned when you enter the terrace, tell me, what do you see below that area'

CT' Well, below, if you look right down, there is a street which leads to the supermarket which is at the end of a small' I call it an alley' a long passageway in front of all of the verandas that look towards the pool. There is a hedge which lines the small gates which gave access to the ground-floor apartments and it was through one of these small gates that I saw this person leave.

DC1485'Very good.

CT' And it was here from where he left. After this, he looked to this side and left quickly and disappeared in that direction. That brought him along the street leading up to the supermarket, or up until the top of the hill ahead. I do not know which direction he took (inaudible).

DC1485'Okay. And did you see anyone else; you know what day it was; the day you were there, on Thursday. Do you know if there were more tourists in that block of apartments'

CT' No, that is to say, there were more people in the pool zone. There were more people around. I believe that it may be possible some were swimming, or even playing tennis. I cannot remember.

DC1485'Was there anyone who called your attention' Think, think well about the location and where you were on this day.

CT' On that day'

DC1485'Besides the individual, obviously.

CT' Besides him...


CT' No one comes to mind. The one thing that I do remember is that some celebration was going on, but I don't know if it was the Sunday or the Thursday. There was some celebration, next to the pool. I do not know if it was the families, the guests of the complex, but there was something. The only thing I can say is that it could have been Sunday or Thursday. I cannot remember and for this reason I would like to leave out this detail.

DC1485'When you speak of a celebration' was it was a barbeque or a bunch of people in good moods'

CT' Well, it appeared to be a celebration, you know, with all the people in good moods and a lot of noise' not much noise but people were laughing and I do not know if this was on Sunday or Thursday.


CT' This detail I will not mention since I am not certain if it was Sunday or Thursday. Yes, and I don't want to confuse my recollection with this.


CT' Mmm, but I believe that there is nothing more. I cannot remember anything more about anyone; nothing more about this.

DC1485'When you were there, did you visit the supermarket'

CT' Humm... I am not certain if I went there that morning. I believe that is possible my husband passed by there to pick up something for mu aunt. Me, no. It could have been Sunday' as you can see once again I am uncertain, I am sorry I cannot remember.

DC1485'Try to position yourself during the second visit; given what happened on Thursday, think about the hour you arrived. Think about whether someone welcomed you when you exited the car. Ok'

CT' Mmm.

DC1485'On Thursday.

CT' Well, we arrived and went directly to the apartment. My husband thinks that he noticed something. I think that we went to the supermarket on the street to the restaurant to see if' to find blubs for the light fixture. This was before lunch. We looked around the supermarket for these special bulbs for her. He could have gone alone or' I do not know. I did not go but it is possible he went, but no'I cannot remember. We got together and had coffee and after went out for lunch. It had to around noon or something similar but it was probably noon because we wanted to get to the restaurant around this time as it fills quickly and is well known and frequented by locals. They only serve fish, fish, fish, but she adores it. For this reason we had to arrive early before the other people' around noon.


CT'Well we must have left home around 11h00 to 11h30'mmm'

DC1485'And did you go on foot or by car'

CT'No, we had to drive there.

DC1485'How long did the journey take'

CT'Hum, it was not very long'it is in Lagos.

DC1485'It is in Lagos.

CT'Yes, from Luz to Lagos.


CT'It must have been about 15 minutes.

DC1485'Okay. What was the restaurant called'

CT'Well, I do not remember the name (inaud'le) or something like that. It is located in the old part of the city and one goes climbing until the top (inaudible) yes. 'Esquitera' or something like that. I don't remember its proper name.

DC1485'It is a restaurant that serves fish'

CT'It is a restaurant that serves fish. It is very well known.

DC1485'On top of the hill'

CT'But it is not a tourist location; it is more for local people, more or less, but it is the best, mmm, and it is not refined. The tables are made of wood with oilcloth and the fish, you know... it is wonderful.


CT'But I cannot remember the name it is (inaudible) or something like that.


DC1485'Did you go to the Tapas Bar with your aunt'

CT'No, no, no it was not there when I visited the last time, and it is something very recent; I believe that it was built about a year ago and I was there before the Tapas Bar was constructed. I think it was a part of the reception or something similar. We were not there before. It is very new.

DC1485'And the courts, did you visit the tennis courts'

CT'No, we do not play tennis and we did not swim in the pool.

DC1485'You did not use the pool'


DC1485'And the cr'he'did you go to the cr'he zone where the children were'

CT'No, I would not go to the cr'he as there was no reason to.

DC1485'Okay. How many times were you there exactly'

CT'Hum... in Portugal or in Luz'

DC1485'Okay, in this resort'

CT'A few times, perhaps three; the first time was when my aunt moved in 2003 or 2004 and after that for a week. My brother dies in 2003 and I remember that my uncle, Aunt Pamela's husband, died in June of 2003. As there were four deaths in our family in the first four months of that year, the time of her move has stayed in my memory.


CT'And, she was very upset with all of it, and I was trying to help her cope along with dealing with my twin brother's death. For this reason, I went to visit her for a week in February in 2004. It was my first time in that place but we had already been in Luz before that when we went to Portugal as tourists. After that, we went a second time with my husband and stayed in (inaudible) a small fishing village about 10 minutes from Luz. We have already been in Portugal many times, but to visit Luz only three times.

DC1485'Okay. When you were there how was the temperature'

CT'It was good, sunny and hot. At times it was necessary to use a sweater but during the day it was marvellous. Besides this, it was fresh and but very agreeable.

CT'I believe it rained one day; it was a bit windy, besides this... it was wonderful weather ' not for sun bathing, even though there were people doing just this but it was not really sun bathing weather.

DC1485'The (inaudible) people. What I will do next Carole, is to show you a part of a map, okay, and I will ask you to outline some parts as well.



CT'Oh my God.

DC1485'You spoke, you spoke of, of, of another man you saw.


DC1485'You saw him leaving your aunt's terrace'

CT'Mmm, mmm

DC1485'This, this is a map, it only covers the Luz area and he have here, if you can imagine, or even see exactly, the block of apartments.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'And here is the pool.


DC1485'Here is the Tapas Bar and restaurant.


DC1485'Here is the tennis court.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'Right here.

DC1485'This is rua estreita.

CT'That is rua estreita.

DC1485'The passageway, right.

DC1485'Point me to the direction from which the individual came.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'And if you could show me in the way a camera captures an image. From, from which apartment did he leave and to where did he go and where were you'

CT'In my aunt's, in the apartment of my aunt in the corner to the top.


DC1485'Look to the bottom where you were looking, if you want. You were looking to the bottom to the right and downwards, but this is not towards the lower apartment but is actually slightly to the right and there is her veranda and finally, here on top, for I would say that here there is a small gate'for this reason it was not this apartment in the end, that is what I wanted to say, you know'

CT'It was not the last one, yes, it was not exactly the last of the street.

DC1485'No, it was not the first gate.

CT'Of the interior.

CT'Where, if you have access.


CT'From there, there is a gate. It was not this gate, it was'when you leave the rua estreita, is it the very first gate you see.

DC1485'How many gates are there in total'

CT'I think that all of them have small gates.

DC1485'I am looking.

CT'Yes, as I recall or think, but I believe they are for all people. I am not certain because I never saw the lower apartments having access to the others, no. For this reason, he was leaving and after looked from side to side and continued walking on the street. I did not see in which direction he left, and it is here that I think I saw him, but it is not possible for someone to leave from this gate.


CT'Or perhaps it is here from which the people or'perhaps I did not notice that there was another small gate.

DC1485'Oh, I am seeing it.

CT'I thought that there was only this gate.

DC1485'Thus, here lies the confusion' to clarify things.


DC1485'It is not exactly the principal gate because, as you noted, the ultimate apartment is where the McCann's were lodged.

CT'Well I did not know. As you know I was on the top.


CT'And so it is clear, it was not this apartment from which I was looking.

DC1485'Your aunt's apartment is exactly on top'

CT'Yes, it is directly on top.

DC1485'But it is two floors up'

CT'It is the last one, yes.


CT'Well then, I was looking to the first gate at the end of the alley.

DC1485'Yes, yes.

CT'It was there that I saw the person leave.

DC1485'Okay, and your direction was this way, following the passageway or to the other direction towards the shrubs'

CT'No, it was towards the gate.

DC1485'In the inside.

CT'Yes, because humm... it must be, there are shrubs and there is no gate there.


CT'As far as I know.

DC1485'Okay, yes.

CT'I did not, I do not remember any gates. I believe that you have to go up and around, or to go through a different passage, or something like this.


CT'I was never exactly in the area below but I do know that it was this locale, humm... and I told my husband, I should tell him this. I had no idea that it was this was the apartment they stayed. I only knew that which I saw and I was not wasting time. (inaudible)

DC1485'No, not in any way. We only want to clarify everything.

CT'It is only that gate, that is the only one.

DC1485'Would you mind making me an outline, please'


DC1485'If you would, if you make it, if you could make the same one as this block here.


DC1485'And after, please mark an X in the location where you saw this man leaving.


DC1485'And after where, where is the gate in relation to the area from where he left.

CT'So, here is the block, okay, then the veranda of my aunt and here on top.


CT'I am looking forward, here in the bottom is a small gate and here is the rua estreita. There is the rua estreita and there are shrubs here and here, the small gates, they are all like this and you climb some steps or can enter from the right, I believe, to enter the apartment. Thus I am looking more or less upwards to downwards and he left from here' the first gate you reach. I did not know of this one here, I did not know of this one.

DC1485'Ah ah.

CT'What I know is that this is the gate and this is what I thought.

DC1485'And can you tell me if he came out of an apartment or was simply exiting the complex'

CT'He was leaving, he was exiting.

DC1485'From an apartment'

CT'I did not see him leave an apartment. I only saw him leave from the gate.

DC1485'Did the gate give direct access to the apartment'

CT'But he was, yes... mmm... no, not at the last apartment.


CT'I suppose there is another apartment.

DC1485'Okay. I am seeing it.

CT' According to what I saw below, it happened here, it could have been the last apartment.

DC1485'In your opinion, is it possible that he was leaving his apartment, next to the last apartment'

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'This, this is just to say'

CT'Probably, oh it is right to say this because I would hate to state that he was; he may not have been leaving because that past one was a different entrance.

Dc1485'Yes, okay.

CT'A different entrance as a whole, the site closest to that row, the first door must have been next to the stairs.

DC1485'Yes and after you saw him leave, what happened'

CT'Well, he opened the gate from inside and made so he did not make any noise, I only'it was what made me feel strange about it. He did this all very quietly, as if... you know, when a gate creeks, but he ensured that it did not make noise, it could have been (inaudible)

DC1485'With caution'

CT'Yes, simply ensuring that it did not bang, and I know some people who enter without banging the doorafter they enter, so this was very cautious, very careful, and for this reason, only this reason, I called you.


CT'It looked as though he was leaving, he closed it with both his hands, many times, closing it in silence and cautiously with both hands and he looked lastly this way downwards, first to this side.

DC1485'So what you are saying is that he looked first in your direction' He looked to you, but he was not positioned. This way


DC1485'Then he looked to the left.

CT'Oh I see.

DC1485'And after he cautiously and slowly pushed it and afterwards looked to the right, and continued walking.

CT'And he'the direction he took was to the street.

DC1485'He then went in this direction to the street, here, this street.


DC1485'Along here in this direction towards the supermarket.

CT'Yes. But I do not know if he went in that direction or in this direction.


CT'Walking this way upwards and I then turned to my aunt and my husband.

DC1485'Then on your map, where do you believe you saw him for the last time'

CT'At the exterior of the gate. He was closing it.


CT'And moving there in an upwards direction.

DC1485'Yes, then, the last location at which you saw him, he would have been, would it be possible that the last time you saw him, he was passing the apartments in direction of the street'

CT'No, I only saw him walking and I did not see him on the rua estreita for when I turned to speak with my family, he was, he was probably always at the the top of the street, and.

DC1485'Okay. I am not here to put words in your mouth, or ideas in your head Carole, but it is possible that the last time you saw him he was only passing through, as I have already indicated from the location of the McCann apartment. The last time you saw him was passing by the McCann apartment then'

CT'Possibly, possibly, yes, I only know that I did not see him turn to the right or the left. I did not look more after he passed the gate. I only know the direction in which he went. He simply went in this direction, in that direction.

DC1485'Then Mrs. Tranmer, what happened first, did you lose sight of him or did he disappear from your line if sight'

CT'No, I lost sight of him.

DC1485'So you turned'

CT'I simply turned away.

DC1485'You turned'


DC1485'With your back to him'


DC1485'Then before you turned, he was still visible'

CT'He was still visible.

DC1485'And you as well.

CT'When I turned, it was obvious he was heading somewhere. I only know that he was headed in that direction.

DC1485'Very good, okay.

CT'Then, I turned like this and he disappeared.

DC1485'This is great, it is great, it is clear, okay. I am going to now try to ask a serues of questions that the Portuguese police would like to ask you, okay'

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'Perhaps you have already answered before but what I want you to do, it to respond with as much detail possible. Good, the first questions is ' do you attest to you statement given to the British police in May of two thousand'eight of may of 2007. Do you attest to the statement that was made on this day to the police, the same statement that I showed you on the 8th of May'


DC1485'This statement is yours'


DC1485'I will only, it is not necessary to read, but I am going to show you as it is necessary to confirm your statement and that it is your statement.

CT'It appears to be, yes.



DC1485'Okay, thank you, and the only anomaly is the incorrect date.

CT'The date, the date is definitely wrong.


CT'We had arrived on the 28th or the 29th of...


CT'April, yes. It was in April and not in May.

DC1485'Well, I am going to help you refresh your memory anew and back to when this individual appeared.


DC1485'You have already stated that is was on Thursday because this was the day you visited your aunt.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'And at what time, I need to come to a definitive time with the hours.

CT'Okay, mmm, mmm.

DC1485'What do you think, it was not after the... and it was not before the'

CT'No it was not late.

DC1485'I assume that I was there, I was there between...we were there around 11, 10 or 11. We took my aunt, we must have left around 11h30, a quarter to noon, and in order to go to the restaurant. Now it may have been a bit early. We had a coffee before we left and really strange to me is the feeling that it could have happened then'I feel that it was when we returned and were drinking coffee.

DC1485'Then you mentioned previously, you said before that you left around 6h30.

CT'Yes, we left.

DC1485'So, let us recap.


DC1485'How much time.

CT'We were there around, we returned from lunch around 3h00 or 3h30, and we were there from 3h30 until 6h30. I know that it was 6h30.

DC1485'Then for a total of three hours, and there were (inaudible) for three hours, yes'

CT'It was minimum of three hours, yes, because we were talking and I had the sensation that we were longer than in the morning, and therefore, it was in these three hours when I saw him and was looking from the veranda. I know that it will look horrible because it will only confuse everyone, but if I were to state that it occurred during the morning. I am still not sure it was the morning or the afternoon. I only know that we were together on the terrace.


CT'But the truth is that I cannot. I am trying my hardest to tell you if it was morning or evening.

DC1485'Good, you left around 8h30, sorry, 6h30.

CT'Yes, we left.

DC1485'What time before this did you see the individual'

CT'It must have happened, I do not want to guess, I cannot...it was during the time we were on the terrace, between three and three-thirty until six, when we returned to the apartment, five-thirty or six because it was cooling down, thus, it was in the afternoon, and I hate to do this, excuse me but it was on'

DC1485'It does not matter that you are trying to guess, it does not matter that you guess.

CT'If it was in the afternoon, somewhere three, three-thirty and five-thirty, because the sun was going down and it was getting colder.


CT'Well, I am certain that we were on the terrace between 3:00/3:30 until 5:30 on Thursday afternoon.

DC1485'Well, we have already been at this for one hour and have made good progress. We are moving along very well. It is very difficult.

CT'Yes it is.

DC1483'I know.

DC1485'You were there two hours.


DC1485'3:30 to 5:30.

CT'Yes and if this did occur in the morning, okay, it would be between'we would have gotten there around 11, 10:30 or 11 and left around 11-ish, 11:45.

DC1485'To go to the restaurant.


DC1485'Okay, I think I am happy that you saw this individual in the afternoon.

CT'Yes, I, I have the feeling that it was in the afternoon.


CT'And it is not just because I say so but, because we had spent more time relaxing; they were talking, and we had already eaten lunch and were sitting and relaxing and well, I am nearly certain. But as you know there was that period in the morning.

DC1485'Did anyone visit your apartment'

CT'When we were there' No, no.

DC1485'No, okay.

CT'I am sorry that'

DC1485'So our window is between'

CT'3, 3:30.


CT'Until 5:30.

DC1485'And if I were to give you hints, because you could ask yourself this, was it at the beginning of your stay, close to 3:30'

CT'Definitive at the beginning because there was a lot of light, yes.

DC1485'More, more than 5:30'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Well think, think about the possibility of 3:30, would you say 4:30'

CT'4:30, yes.

DC1485'Well, given the window of between 3:30 and 4:30'

CT'Yes. I suppose so. It is only a guess.

DC1485'Yes, it is great, yes, yes.


DC1485'Okay, and you told me that you were on your aunt's terrace'

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'Okay, and what is there on the terrace'

CT'Well, there is a table, a sun umbrella, some chairs and potted plants and very little else; a part of the terrace is bigger than the other with the end part longer, more or less. The part where we sat was covered and has a big enough space for six people to sit, but I, I know that I was standing on the veranda when I looked down. I was not looking in this way, I was only snooping to see what was going on below. It was simply a look as follows, for this reason, I was looking below and was not properly'I cannot, I could not see very well.

DC1485'Then it was not a specific look below, we will call it a glance.

CT'Yes, yes, it is very difficult to see below. One only had a general view.

DC1485'Then was it necessary to look more furtively'


DC1485'Okay, your path was like this, when you were in the apartment and walked out, can you see the direction on the terrace.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'How much time to get there from you room'

CT'Hum... we can there with a few steps.


CT'So, it is visible if we are seated on''

DC1485'From the door or from where'

CT'From, humm... the door no because he was looking more from the side.


DC1485'So leaving the apartment one must get up but if one is seated on the terrace.


DC1485'And if sitting next to the terrace wall.



DC1485'Can you see, is it possible for people to pass through the top and below'

CT'You can see this outside.

DC1485'Absolutely, yes.

CT'Absolutely, yes.

DC1485'Very good, sure.

CT'People would come and go.

DC1485'I can see.

CT'So you can see what is happening at the top of and at the bottom of the street.

DC1485'Okay. To jog your memory to remember the topic of conversation, I mean, you confirmed that the individual called your attention but after that you turned to speak with your husband. Can you remember what you said to your husband'

CT'Well, there are always talking about the European Union, for this reason, they always have discussions about who is a member of the European Union and who is leading; these two talk a lot about politics and speak, speak and after I turned to get into the conversation as well.

CT'Because they always have open discussions, nice discussions but ...

DC1485'Nothing that comes to memory'

CT'Well, you know'he works, he is contracted by the European Union and is always saying that when he leaves working for them, he has a big book to write, yes'

DC1485'Was this individual accompanied by anyone'

CT'No, he was alone.

DC1485'Okay, the next thing is the description, this will be difficult for you, I know, but try and remember as much as possible even if they are details that may appear... ohh. Assume that I know nothing.

CT'Mmm, mmm.



DC1485'Presuppose that I have just entered this investigation, that I do not know about your previous statement; that I know nothing about this individual.


DC1485'Where should we start.

CT'At the head.

DC1485'the head.

CT'Because it was what I saw first.


CT'Humm... he was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short, not like mine but a little more, humm... but not like a footballer, do you know what I mean' A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.


CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'

DC1485'Could you give him an age'

CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.

DC1485'And his aspect'

CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.

DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'

CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.

DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'

CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.

DC1485'And his T-shirt, you spoke to me about his T-shirt, did it have an inscription'

CT'No, it was a common shirt, without inscriptions, it was light blue in colour, or grey, it could have been grey, mmm.

DC1485'And the T-shirt, did it have buttons or was it simply something that went up to the neck'

CT'No, it went up to the neck and had sleeves, short sleeves, but not straps, of this type, just short sleeves.

DC1485'Yes, and was it loose-fitting'

CT'No it was not snug, it was not loose, it was comfortable.

DC1485'Did it fit him loosely'

CT'It was big but not by much.


CT'It was simply common, the type of T-shirt one wears on Saturday.

DC1485'Yes, yes.

CT'With inscriptions or anything in general, mmm.

DC'And he was well-shaven'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'

CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.


CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.


CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.

DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'


DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'

CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that.

DC1485'And I know that you pointed to the map, as you know, that you were on the third floor and he was here, this is, rua estreita, as you revelead'

CT'No, no it appears, humm... it is simply long, because the apartments on the first level jut out a bit, the veranda belongs to my aunt.


CT'Therefore, when I say that I am looking below, it is only really looking below...

DC1485'And how, what is your opinion; are you good at measuring distances'

CT'If am am good in measuring distances, recollecting faces, mmm'very good. Are you talking measurements in metres, yards or in feet'

DC1485'Humm, in feet.

DC1485'Please continue.

CT'From where, where I stood'


CT'Okay, I would then say, humm, close to the roof.


CT'It would be the measurement of one double-decker bus which, which is the measurement of a double-decker bus.

DC1485'You refer to the top of the double-decker, the double-decker until the end'

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'I though you said that you were capable of being precise.

CT'Well, it is difficult, isn't it'

DC1485'Have you looked here to outside'


DC1485'Is it roughly the same height'

CT'Humm, yes, but two, two floors up.


CT'Two floors and a bit upwards.

DC1485'Are the apartments have high ceilings or low-ceilings'

CT'Humm, no... they are higher than this.

DC1485'They are higher than this.

CT'Yes, yes.

DC1485'Or it could be, we are speaking, if I told you 30 metres, twenty meters, thirty metres, 40 metres, which do uou think it would be'

DC1485'Feet and inches

CT'Ahh... feet, if I told you, then, I would from top to bottom it was about' I don't know, 20 feet.

DC1485'Yes, because there we were also on the top of a hill.


CT'Thus 20, 30 feet for sure, I would that it was around this.


CT'Because we were also on a hill. But on the rua estreita I don't think there is a relief.



DC1485'And the temperature, you told me that the temperature was cold but it was sunny on this day or were you covered.

CT'It was sunny, but... humm... it cooled down at night, hummm, I believe it was sunny, mmm.

DC1485'It seems to me that you would recognise this individual were you to see him again'

CT'Yes, I would recognize him. Don't ask me why but I know that I would.

DC1485'Okay, and you told me, when we were speaking of his behaviour, you told me that he left and shut the gate very slowly after himself, that he had to turn. With both his hands.

CT'With both hands.

DC1485'He turned and pulled the gate, he pulled or pushed the gate closed'

CT'Humm... he pulled it.

DC1485'Because it opens from the inside'

CT'It opens from the inside.

DC1485'Yes, then when you saw him leave, he had to pull the gate in his direction.


DC1485'Okay, and you told me that he was doing this stealthily, what do you mean by stealthily'

CT'Stealth, humm... someone who would draw my attention, you know, the normal way of entering and exiting a gate, one opens the gate and just leaves, but he did this as though he wanted to make the minimum amount of noise, that is stealthily, and as if, he did not want anyone to know that he was coming or going.


CT'This was very, very unusual and it was this that stayed in my memory.

DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'

CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.

DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.

CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.

DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'



CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.

Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'

CT'The hair is right. More or less.

DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.

CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.

DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...

CT'The top, his head is...

DC1485'The same.


DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'

CT'Well, he had a long face.


CT'Yes, this, this you know.

DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.

CT'No, certainly it is not.

DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.

CT'Is this what they sent'


CT'This I made'

DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'

CT'No, a young person, humm...


CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.

DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'



CT'From Reading.

DC1485'Yes, from Reading.

CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.

DC1485'Okay, sure.

CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.

DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion. I would like to finally ask you regarding your aunt, Pamela FENN.

CT'Pamela FENN, mmm

DC1485'Speak to me about her.

CT'Humm, of what' Her age or her type of lifestyle'

DC1485'Yes... where she used to live, you told me that she moved there in 2003'

CT'No, no ,no, she moved there around a good 20 or 30 years ago.


CT'Together, my aunt and uncle used to live in Stratfield Saye.


CT'Stratfield Saye which is in Berkshire, the border with Surrey and when they sold the house they moved to Portugal. He designed and constructed a villa, not exactly in Lagos, but in the immediate vicinity. They bought the land and lived there happily for many years until he got ill with Alzheimer and for the last 10 years, it was she who took care of him with the exception of the last 18 months when he spent his time in a facility. When he died, she bought this apartment, and she lives their practically alone and the family, as you know, we visit her with frequency and she (sorry) goes many times to the U.K. She has three children, all married who also have children. She therefore has grandchildren, but she likes Portugal, she likes the climate, she is happy there, she has friends, and humm... she would never return here unless she had no choice (inaudible), there is not more to add.

DC1485--So she still has family in England'

CT'Oh yes, the has three married children and many grandchildren.

DC1485'Where do they live'

CT'They'one lives in Sandhurst, he is a colonel and has been stationed in Belgrade for about 4 years, the other lives in Kent and owns a bar, and the other lives in London and is the manager of a marketing business. All of them, the one in Kent has three children, and the other has one child and they, N***is in Camberley and had two children. She had grandchildren. After this is me, I am her nieces and my sister, J*** lives in Guildford. For this reason we are spread out and she comes to spend the holidays and Christmas.

DC1485'Is there anybody in the family called (inaudible), any younger member called FENN'

CT'Yes, all of them. All of them are called FENN. They are all men, for this reason they are all FENN.

DC1485'They are all FENN.

CT'The whole family is called FENN.


CT'A series of FENN, yes

DC1485'And girls'

CT'No, she does not have girls.

DC1485'So there are no girls with the name FENN.

CT'Only by marriage.

DC1485'And the children.

CT'They are all FENNs.

DC1485'They are all FEN'S. What are their names'

CT'Well, there is'H*** and C**** FENN, they are married and have ***** and C***** who lives in Camberley in Sandhurst which is the military base, after there is S***** FENN and his wife N**** who have a daughter named M*****, for this reason, they are all FENNs. After this is I**** FENN who has an older son, no two boys... I am becoming confused, two daughters who are all FENNs and she will have a great-granddaughter this month, sorry, next month.

DC1485'A big family.

CT'Yes, a big family, humm... and her husband, my uncle's family was from Australia, but I believe that this is... mmm

DC1485'Okay. Finally Carole, I would like to go over with you the photos you brought with you, which you showed to me before the interview.

CT'Mmm, mmm

DC1485'Please clarify for me, when these were taken, who took it, and...'

CT'Hum... okay, my husband and aunt hate taking photographs, for this reason he must have taken these, I know that they were taken on Sunday, a lovely sunny day where we were seated, as was usual, on the terrace. There are a number of people there.


CT'There is the pool, there is the overhang, which is not really an overhand but a wall.


CT'A wall with plants from a distance; like a passageway on the pavement which runs until the building.


CT'This is similar to what one can see now, and the reception area with the roof.


CT'And the people between I believe are many who work at the Ocean Club and who also live in the surrounding areas, also in the locale.


CT'That is it.

DC1485'If we select this photograph, I will show it to you, okay'

CT'This must be one of the better ones, If I may say so.

DC1485'This one shows you,

CT'This, this shows me looking down being curious, but this is not of the other apartment.


CT'But below there is, humm...the terrace of the other apartment.

DC1485'Oh, that one... hummm. Where the McCanns stayed.

CT'I did not know, but it must have been, they had a type of patio below, but the one I was looking at, humm... was where the small gate was located which is almost to that side.

DC1485'That is the gate where you saw the individual.

CT'Mmm, mmm

DC1485'Where you stood'

CT'Where I stood.

DC1485'I will (inaudible) see something. Image 50590 okay, that I what I will call it.

CT'Ah ah.

DC1485'Image 0590 is one of your pictures.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'And you are looking below.

CT'And I am looking below.

CT'Mmm, mmm.

DC1485'And tell me where is the gate, in realtion ot the rest.

CT'Well, the gate is slightly more towards the front, 69 centimetres towards the front.

DC1485'To your right.

CT'To my right.


CT'Right below where the McCanns stayed there is a small patio.


CT'But I did not see if they had a gate themselves.

CT'Okay. And after there is a small apartment below that has a small terrace and was probably there I was snooping.



DC1485'At what time of the day do you think this photograph was taken'

CT'Well, it was... it must have happened in the morning because it was taken on Sunday.

DC1485'It was taken on Sunday'

CT'Yes, because the sun was out, humm'around mid-day, I would say it was around noon.



DC1485'This is good.

CT'This is all I remember.

DC1485'I will make copies of these photographs, later, after completing your statement.


DC1485'And I have this as your proof and evidence.

CT'You can have these because, humm... they are on CD, and if they can help'

DC1485'Right, okay.

CT'You can have them.

DC1485'I will see what I (inaudible) can do with them.

CT'yes, okay.

DC1485'Okay, I will get up for two minutes and ask my colleague if any fact has escaped me.



CT'Yes, I will have some water.

DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.

DC MESSIAH returns to the interview room.

DC1485'Hello, I have returned. I apologise for the length of my absence (inaudible), my colleague was trying to get a better quality photograph copy, the one I showed him was very, very light, wasn't it'


DC1485'Does this bring back memories'

CT'Good, the one I saw was on computer...


CT'And... hum, with the glasses... he did not wear sunglasses.

DC1485'No, but if you could imagine him without sunglasses, is it very difficult'

CT'Yes, hum... I know that I have had some difficulty with the ears as well, but... humm, I think so.

DC1485'This was made by another witness, who affirms having seen a man who corresponds to his description but...

CT'The one thing is that I saw him from an angle.

DC1485'From below.

CT'From below, his mouth was more'hum'very delineated, it was not'in this one it appeared more'


CT'But, hum... the head looks good.


CT'Humm, but the glasses and I do not know about the nose, it was more'mmm'but we all come from different places.


CT'He did not have this in his chin.


CT'And he had a long face.

DC1485'Longer than this one'

CT'Yes, although I saw him from above, I have (inaudible) because I very much like this photograph.

DC1485'Oh right.

CT'For this reason, I am very good at this. But not in measurements (inaudible)'facial recognition, hummm.

DC1485'Okay, but this one.

CT'Yes, the head, the cut of the hair, the hair line was very similar, mmm... but the individual made him on CD, humm.

DC1485'What did he do'

CT'He, well, he assigned a document to confirm that I was correct but it was all on computer and'humm'he took it back to Reading.

DC1485'He was from Reading'

CT'He worked for the Reading Police, so I assumed he was legitimate.

DC1485'Did he leave a card or another contact'


DC1485'Is the name recognisable'

CT'No, but it was all noted by the Police in Reading.

DC1485'Where did they go'

CT'They, they went to my office.

DC1485'They went to your office'


DC1485'How many of them were there'

CT'Only one, with a laptop.

DC1485'I am not suggesting that he, he'

CT'I was going to say that, I hope he was legitimate, this was a long time ago.

DC1485'Yes, I am not suggesting this, simply, I want you to help me find him.

CT'I, I do not remember his name, humm.

DC1485'You told me that he was young'

CT'Yes, a young person.

DC1485'He was in his youth'

CT'Well, a computer genious, but not one of those weird looking ones, you know'hum, very much younger'humm, he was around 25 or something.


CT'Dark hair, hum'short, yes, I remember that he was very short, humm'and was only'

DC1485'You have a fantastic memory, did you know that'

CT' (laughs) Perhaps this has something to do with my past, because I was working, hummm'my other organisation was, hummm'called Reading because it was all organized by them.

DC1485'Good, I will ask you to contact us first, unless you have a preference'

CT'I can check in my agenda when I get home.

DC1485'And call me after or'

DC1485'I keep all my appointments and if there is anything, because when I was working, I was better organised compared to when I do nothing.


CT'Perhaps there is something about his name.

DC1485'Because he must have said his name and the visit and you may have made a note in your agenda.

CT'I would have noted it as I had to also book the room.


CT'I remember this, yes.

DC1485'Okay. Some questions that were asked of me need clarification, first you told me everything that you saw when he was at the gate. In what direction he was looking when he exited; when he was preparing to leave; when he began walking through the gate and consequently, already outside the gate'

CT'Well, he was looking in the direction opposite to me.


CT'Thus, he must have... I did not look, I only saw him leave via the gate, turn and here he did this stealthily, slowly, at opening the gate,. It was the manner in which he opened it. He did not look to where I was, nor did he see me.


CT'And... humm, I was more or less with my back turned towards him, and he used two hands to do this, which was strange, and after looked in that direction, to the left, and left as I turned away.


DC1485'How much time'how much time did he look to the left'

CT'It was for a bit, very intentional.

DC1485'Like he was stopping to look'

CT'Yes, intentially to check to see something, you know, and after looking from one side to the other before leaving; this is what called my attention.

DC1485'Did someone else see him'

CT'No because my husband and aunt were seated, but below the terrace wall, so that they did not see anything.


CT'I would say that has they not been intently conversing regarding this and that...

DC1485'You would not have stayed there and'

CT'I would have, I would have called their attention and asked them what they thought of it.

DC1485'Okay. From what I can tell, this is the end of the interview.


DC1485'Very good. Is there anything else you would like to add, given that eleven months have passed when you first spoke of this'

CT'Not really, there is only the issue of what I have spoken about and which had to do with the apartment. I did not know that it was the apartment below ours and, humm'I did not know that they were staying in that apartment; I was focused on the gate. I had no idea.


CT'Except in the Sunday papers, as we have seen.

DC1485' Had you seen anyone prior, anyone at all, leaving by that gate before'

CT'Hummm... no, not while we were visiting, no.

DC1485'And do you remember if it was occupied at that time'

CT'I cannot be sure, I do not know if anyone was there because it was very early in the season, and there were some guests staying in apartments above the ground floor.


DC1485'Was there anyone there, who perhaps put out clothing'


CT'There were some, but that small gate...it also gives access to the apartments above.


CT'For this reason, I do not know...


CT'As you know, I did not see anyone leave or enter.

DC1485'Do you know if your aunt knew of anyone staying as a guest, or mentioned that someone was staying there'

CT'She probably knew, but she does not talk much about this.


CT'So this'humm.


CT'She knows some people from the Resident's Association but I cannot guarantee that she knew who was staying there. She is pretty reserved or at least tries to be, but she does know the majority of the members of the Resident's Association and when there is a meeting'for this reason perhaps she knew that an apartment would be occupied. Remembering this after so much time has passed'


CT'She is very astute, you know.

DC1485'Very good. Is there anything else you would like to add'


DC1485'She was given the opportunity to clarify. Right, it is 11h10. This interview has ended/


Anger at sick Maddie tourists, 01 May 2008
Anger at sick Maddie tourists Daily Record (no longer available online)

May 1, 2008

THE holiday flat Madeleine McCann disappeared from has become a macabre tourist attraction.

Coachloads of ghoulish sightseers have been spotted in Praia da Luz as the anniversary of her disappearance approaches.

The visitors - mostly Spanish and Portuguese - pose for photographs outside the Ocean Club apartment.

They also visit the church Kate and Gerry McCann attended at the height of the search for Madeleine.

Tourists have even been seen posing outside the home of British suspect Robert Murat.

Some locals claim the sightseers are part of organised "Maddy tours".

Pensioner Pamela Fenn, who lives above the McCanns' holiday apartment, said: "You get loads of them. There was a group of about 20 here just last Saturday.

"It's sick, You can't believe it. Can you imagine wanting to come and do that?

"They stand outside the apartment and then have photographs taken in front of the window with their children."

An Ocean Club employee confirmed she had seen coachloads of tourists stop to take pictures.

The woman said: "After looking at the apartment they go to the main road where there is a clear view over the pool.

"The bus comes and parks outside the church."

Ricardo Silva, 32, who runs a coffee shop close to the church, said: "They all ask 'Where is Madeleine's house?' It seems very strange to me."

Over one Hour Crying, 05 July 2008

Over one Hour Crying Correio da Manhã

Mrs Pamela Fenn

Pamela Fenn remembers hearing the child crying uncontrollably

05 July 2008
Translation by Joana Morais

Madeleine parents never contradicted that it was already a habit for their three children to be all alone inside the Praia da Luz apartment while they dined; a fact corroborated by several witness statements - the Oceans Club employees. Although the parents defended themselves by stating that they visited the children every half an hour, every night, the witness statement of neighbour Pamela Fenn crumbled the McCann couple's version, when she guaranteed to the PJ that she had heard Maddie crying out loud for one hour and fifteen minutes, two nights before the crime. The British woman lives at the first floor, just above the apartment rented by the McCanns and she told to the inspectors, that on the night of the 1st of May, at 22:30, she heard a child crying, and by the sound it was Madeleine.

She guaranteed to the Judiciary Police that the child was uncontrollably crying for one hour and fifteen minutes, until the parents arrived. The neighbour heard the noise of the door at 23:45, when Kate and Gerry ended their usual gathering with their friends at the Tapas Bar – the Oceans Club restaurant at the pool side, where they had dinner daily. This testimony contradicts the daily routine of visits that the couple declared to have with their children – and the McCanns are not free from criticism by another British woman. Yvone Martin, a British Social Care worker at holidays in Luz, who also blamed the McCanns negligent behaviour.

Muddied Waters, 16 May 2011
Muddied Waters Notes from a Potting Shedder

Monday, 16 May 2011

Many have said there were and still are deliberate attempts to muddy the waters surrounding Mrs Fenn's statement.

For those of you who don't know, Mrs Pamela Fenn lived in the apartment above 5A and claimed that on the night of 1st May 2007, she heard a child cry alone, for over an hour.
"She refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted “Daddy, Daddy”, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below.

At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse. When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor. As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.

That night she contacted a friend called E*** G***, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the child’s crying."
The waters were muddied when news broke of Madeleine questioning her parents as to why he/she/they didn't come when her and Sean were crying. I say muddied, because the McCanns claim this crying episode took place on the 2nd of May, contrary to what Mrs Fenn claimed. Could she have been mistaken and confused the dates?

Well as it happens, Mrs Fenn did recount the day and date quite correctly. For, four years later on the Late Late Show we hear from Mr McCann himself that on the night of 1st May, it was Amelie who had woken up.
"The next morning, she (Madeleine) said "Mummy", can't remember if it was Mummy or Daddy now... "why didn't you come when Sean and I were crying last night?"  And we both looked at each other and thought "that's odd... crying?" We didn't hear anything and we had been back checking and so we asked "When did you cry?" You know sometimes when we first put them to bed, they cry and she just dropped it and as we were saying, Madeleine is very articulate and we kind of looked at each other and thought, did they wake up or was it the night before when Amelie had woken up?"
So by the McCanns' own admission, the children had woken on the 1st and 2nd of May, but dismiss any suggestion that Madeleine could have woke and wandered on that fateful night. By stark contrast, none of the children woke on the 3rd May despite the hullaballoo happening in and around the apartment and being physically moved and carried by strangers to another apartment.

Recollections of the night of 3rd May also differ...
"During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out “we have let her down” which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously.

Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios.

At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30. She said that after the mother’s shouts, she had seen many people in the streets looking for the girl."
In her own 'version of the truth', Kate McCann gives an altogether different account of the neighbourly encounter...
"At about 11pm, a woman appeared on a nearby balcony and inquired of Kate: "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" Kate told the woman that her daughter had been stolen from her bed to which the woman responded: "Oh I see" as though, Kate writes, she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf."
Could these two differing accounts describe the same moment? Sadly Mrs Fenn has passed away, her statement in effect is etched in stone. I would hate to think that Kate McCann has taken liberties when the lady in question is unable to defend herself.

Muddied waters? I think with the publishing of Kate McCann's 'version of the truth', a lot of things are suddenly becoming clearer.